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Re: Scale Trains buys MTH HO/S tooling

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:34 pm

chuck wrote:Trains.com has published the list of products that is to use the former MTH tooling. Atlas O has a YouTube video out covering the same. They have purchased the rights to a fairly small selection of Premier Locomotives and rolling stock. They have acquired a lot of the RailKing accessories.

They are now licensee's of PS-3/DCS (apparently the sole licensee). Ownership of the later is still in the hands of a third party, probably the developers of the system. While the patents have expired, the copyright on the software has not, hence the need for a license. I suspect that this provides Atlas with some shielding from DCS woes, you have to deal with them (whomever they are) in regards to issues with the product.

Other than the MTH RailKing accessories I am at a loss as to why they bought what they bought. The passenger cars are not true O scale, they are "close". Previous editions of Atlas O passenger cars were well noted for their true and accurate scale 80 to 85 foot lengths. The locomotives they have selected are nice but nothing that I would consider earth shaking. I am pretty sure they are all relatively new diesels?


The entire acquisition makes little sense........and bodes nothing good for O scale modelers.
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Re: Scale Trains buys MTH HO/S tooling

Postby Neil » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:15 pm

An accident waiting to happen is my thought. MTH is scattered into pieces and not all the king's horses or all the king's can put Mikey back together again.
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Re: Scale Trains buys MTH HO/S tooling

Postby G3750 » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:54 pm

Neil wrote:An accident waiting to happen is my thought. MTH is scattered into pieces and not all the king's horses or all the king's can put Mikey back together again.


I have no idea why, but the theme from Evita forced its way into my head. :lol:

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Re: Scale Trains buys MTH HO/S tooling

Postby robert. » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:54 pm

maybe Atlas received a large pandemic relief loan.
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Re: Scale Trains buys MTH HO/S tooling

Postby gregj410 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:25 pm

Wow George! You really kicked the bee hive on the atlas/MTH tread over in NK. :lol:

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Re: Scale Trains buys MTH HO/S tooling

Postby G3750 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:35 pm

gregj410 wrote:Wow George! You really kicked the bee hive on the atlas/MTH tread over in NK. :lol:


Yeah, I'm afraid I did. :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:

What can I say? There are 2 sayings that come to mind when it comes to idiots:
1) Never argue with one. People might not be able to tell the difference between you and the idiot. :oops:
2) Never argue with one. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. :lol:

Oh well. I'm avoiding that thread over there because I might post more truthful things that some would find offensive.

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Re: Scale Trains buys MTH HO/S tooling

Postby jlong » Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:15 pm

gregj410 wrote:Wow George! You really kicked the bee hive on the atlas/MTH tread over in NK. :lol:


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Re: Scale Trains buys MTH HO/S tooling

Postby rogruth » Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:44 pm

I think George is having FUN on OGR.

By the way, has ATlas actually said that they will be using DCS ?
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Re: Scale Trains buys MTH HO/S tooling

Postby G3750 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:05 pm

rogruth wrote:I think George is having FUN on OGR.

By the way, has ATlas actually said that they will be using DCS ?


I think they have agreed to license it. Ultimately, I believe Atlas will release locomotives with DCS on-board. That's crucial to keeping alive the small remnant of MTH (employee-owned?) that will service the DCS market (repair / replace / upgrade). I don't think that entity would survive without new engines coming out.

But as to the performance and reliability of DCS, who am I going to believe? Their wishful thinking or my own lying eyes? :lol:

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Re: Scale Trains buys MTH HO/S tooling

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:52 am

G3750 wrote:I think they have agreed to license it.


The real question is why other than to pander to those that worship at that altar. Perhaps it was included in a package deal to support that remnant of MTH (employee-owned?) that will service the DCS market (repair / replace / upgrade)?

Lots of head scratching and speculation -- just have to sit back and enjoy the popcorn!

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Re: Scale Trains buys MTH HO/S tooling

Postby jlong » Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:42 pm

In all seriousness, Atlas would be handing their lunch over to 3rd Rail if they were to switch over from ERR boards to DCS for their locomotive offerings. They are too well vested in TMCC and so are their loyal customers. Thinking their customers are going to go out and by a TIts Up unit, a tacky thumbwheel thingy and magic lamps to run their new Atlas locomotive is believing in the tooth fairy. Ain't gonna happen.
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Re: Scale Trains buys MTH HO/S tooling

Postby G3750 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:08 pm

jlong wrote:In all seriousness, Atlas would be handing their lunch over to 3rd Rail if they were to switch over from ERR boards to DCS for their locomotive offerings. They are too well vested in TMCC and so are their loyal customers. Thinking their customers are going to go out and by a TIts Up unit, a tacky thumbwheel thingy and magic lamps to run their new Atlas locomotive is believing in the tooth fairy. Ain't gonna happen.


I'm not sure Atlas had much of a choice. They need MTH's production facilities. Their own sure weren't getting the job done.

Anyway, my thought is that Atlas will offer both TMCC and DCS.

As for the DCS remotes, they are no longer made or offered. In fact, my understanding is that the latest version of the TIU won't even recognize them. So it's all going to be run via Wi-Fi.

I could be wrong, but that's what I've heard.

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Re: Scale Trains buys MTH HO/S tooling

Postby chuck » Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:09 am

From the announcement it seems that what they really wanted was the RailKing action accessories. The locomotives and rolling stock are not that spectacular and seem to be "we'll see how this goes", aka path of least resistance and probably lowest cost.

Re DCS, I suspect that it will be installed only on the original MTH engineered equipment. Original Atlas tooling will probably continue to use TMCC.

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Re: Scale Trains buys MTH HO/S tooling

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:51 pm

gregj410 wrote:Wow George! You really kicked the bee hive on the atlas/MTH tread over in NK. :lol:


Interesting; all you have to do is state basic fundamentals on HW & SW development and support............
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Re: Scale Trains buys MTH HO/S tooling

Postby G3750 » Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:26 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
gregj410 wrote:Wow George! You really kicked the bee hive on the atlas/MTH tread over in NK. :lol:


Interesting; all you have to do is state basic fundamentals on HW & SW development and support............


Yeah, 9 years at the Software Engineering Institute spent on software development process and software risk management, followed by 20 years successful delivery of multi-million dollar projects on time and budget. What do I know about it, anyway? :lol:
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