Car Thread

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Water contains water and (in Tucson) Arsenic, Barium, Fluoride, Nitrate, Selenium, Sodium, Trihalomethane, Haloacetic Acid, Uranium, Lead, Copper, and Chlorine.

No iron or aluminum? Which haloacetic acid?

[webenda]

Water contains water and (in Tucson) Arsenic, Barium, Fluoride, Nitrate, Selenium, Sodium, Trihalomethane, Haloacetic Acid, Uranium, Lead, Copper, and Chlorine.

No iron or aluminum? Which haloacetic acid?

When Tucson Water first introduced Colorado River water into the water system, all our iron and steel pipes sprung leaks and were replaced with plastic pipe. They replaced the one under my street first, then my own pipes started leaking. I now have all copper and brass on my side of the water meter. So a major source of iron has been eliminated in Tucson. What would be the source of aluminum? Tucson Water claims the lead and copper source is from household plumbing. I wonder who's house they are getting their samples from? Arsenic, copper and lead source is from our highly mineralized rock strata. That is why there are so many copper mines around Tucson. My source of information about rock strata and water contamination is the Bureau of Land Management Tucson Field Office. (Who should I believe, the Feds or the City?)

The HAAs are a by-product of chlorination. Here is the list:
monochloroacetic acid (MCA) ClCH2COOH
dichloroacetic acid (DCA) Cl2CHCOOH
trichloroacetic acid (TCA) Cl3CCOOH
monobromoacetic acid (MBA) BrCH2COOH
dibromoacetic acid (DBA) Br2CHCOOH

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Water contains water and (in Tucson) Arsenic, Barium, Fluoride, Nitrate, Selenium, Sodium, Trihalomethane, Haloacetic Acid, Uranium, Lead, Copper, and Chlorine.

No iron or aluminum? Which haloacetic acid?

When Tucson Water first introduced Colorado River water into the water system, all our iron and steel pipes sprung leaks and were replaced with plastic pipe. They replaced the one under my street first, then my own pipes started leaking. I now have all copper and brass on my side of the water meter. So a major source of iron has been eliminated in Tucson. What would be the source of aluminum? Tucson Water claims the lead and copper source is from household plumbing. I wonder who's house they are getting their samples from? Arsenic, copper and lead source is from our highly mineralized rock strata. That is why there are so many copper mines around Tucson. My source of information about rock strata and water contamination is the Bureau of Land Management Tucson Field Office. (Who should I believe, the Feds or the City?)

The HAAs are a by-product of chlorination. Here is the list:
monochloroacetic acid (MCA) ClCH2COOH
dichloroacetic acid (DCA) Cl2CHCOOH
trichloroacetic acid (TCA) Cl3CCOOH
monobromoacetic acid (MBA) BrCH2COOH
dibromoacetic acid (DBA) Br2CHCOOH

Ok, that sort of makes sense yet iron is virtually impossible to avoid but then I think in terms of ppm contamination; aluminum is less so but it's kind of common. I'm not sure I fully understand the trichloro or even the dichloro and I'm at a loss on the bromination products; both of those are not stable in water for a very long time and highly subject to hydrolysis and why wold bromine be in the chlorine....

Trust? Trust yourself and and send off some water for analysis yourself. Check out Galbraith Labs if you are so inclined.

I remember doing this when we were very concerned about metal contamination in the HPLC systems purifying clinical grade chelating agents; out water system was proven to be perfectly good for use, but we did find trace Vanadium in the system effluent - we were leeching that out of the stainless in the HPLC parts.

[Mitch]

Well, ya see, Robert did not say to spray the wires with Windex. He said to spray them with a Windex bottle. Then Wayne had to go anal and point out the chemical analysis of Windex, which truly was not mentioned, and do a comparison of Windex to water to show that I had erred in my statement. Certainly over analyzation to prove me wrong. The point is simply that damp or wet wires that show an ignition misfire shows poor conductivity or electrical leakage. Keeriste! Maybe Healy would be better off takin' the car to garage.
Now we're lookin' for the proper contaminants to put in the Windex bottle?

[healey36]

Just got back from the store Mitch...went looking for Colorado River water. Had to settle for Patapsco...

Was on the road today so I didn't get any garage-time...tomorrow, but only if it's not 400 degrees out.

I'm exaggerating you guys...

Healey

[MurphOnMillerAve]

I admire youz guys who can open your vehicles up, or somebody else's, and tinker around and do pertinent stuff. The thought would never occur to me to do so. The last time I had something serious go wrong with a car was w/ my 72 Pontiac Gran Prix. (a) It got a flat, which I enjoyed fixing. (b)Something made it need a new waterpump, (c) and the "struts" (I think they that's what they were called) wore out, or something-or-other, and I had them replaced. Loved throwing a set of chains on the rear wheels when it snowed, which allowed it to go up any hill (not so much good at going downhill, though ) ; kept two bricks for just such a job in the trunk. Sold it for $2,000 before I got my '79 Cadillac Seville. Love cars. In awe of you guys who can fix 'em.

[webenda]

Then Wayne had to go anal and point out the chemical analysis of Windex, which truly was not mentioned, and do a comparison of Windex to water to show that I had erred in my statement.

You nailed it, "I had to do it." Call it a personality flaw.

If you recall, my oil change interval is based on analysis of oil contamination.
The oil drops on this test card show the dispersant package is not yet saturated, if it was the drops would be dark in the center.

What caused me to change the oil at 4,655 miles was the smell. The oil did not smell like oil anymore, it had a sour or pungent odor, similar to rotten eggs. That smell indicates oil oxidation.

Out of curiosity, I just smelled the oil (2417 miles on oil.) It smells burnt, indicating thermal failure, like when oil spills on a hot exhaust manifold. I wasn't expecting that. Time to change the oil again.

[webenda]

Keeriste! Maybe Healy would be better off takin' the car to garage.

MItch, leave Healy out of this, he is an innocent bystander. I am the one you have a beef with.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

I love learning stuff. And that oil mini-tome was a winner. I'm not sure why I like knowing it, now, but I'm glad I now do (!)
daMurph

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Well, ya see, Robert did not say to spray the wires with Windex. He said to spray them with a Windex bottle. Then Wayne had to go anal and point out the chemical analysis of Windex, which truly was not mentioned, and do a comparison of Windex to water to show that I had erred in my statement. Certainly over analyzation to prove me wrong. ...

Aw don't get excited. Good ol' Wayne likes: (a) researching stuff; (b) explaining stuff; (c) tweaking our bippies. How do I know? Remember the time he placed a photo of my fataaaaasss and perched me up on a tin roof at a RR station in India (or somedamplace like that)? The man likes to mess with our minds.

[healey36]

Keeriste! Maybe Healy would be better off takin' the car to garage.

MItch, leave Healy out of this, he is an innocent bystander. I am the one you have a beef with.

Hey, I was just getting interested in this oil discussion. I've been running Mobil 1 in everything, changed out religiously at 6,000 miles. Ran a pair of Toyota Corolla's out to 157,000 and 227,000 miles each on this regimen. The oil-life indicator on the Saturn and the BMW suggest a much longer service interval but I'm not buying into that.

In the Sprite I'm running 20W-50 Valvoline VR1. The car gets maybe 300 miles on it each summer. How often should I be changing this out? Annually? Sarge and I have talked about this...even though the mileage is really low it seems reasonable to change it out every twelve months, but maybe that's wasteful/unnecessary.

Healey

[rogruth]

Some manual used to say X number of miles or X number of months, whichever came first.

[webenda]

Keeriste! Maybe Healy would be better off takin' the car to garage.

MItch, leave Healy out of this, he is an innocent bystander. I am the one you have a beef with.

Hey, I was just getting interested in this oil discussion

I was only referring to the water bottle discussion. Mitch was right about, "Geez! I thought I said that 2 pages back. ," he did suggest wetting the wires to test them for high voltage electrical leakage. Mitch is always right, your know. Oops, said the, "you know," something someone else is sensitive about.

[HONDO74]

I have always enjoyed this thread. A lot of interesting info passes through it. I am interested to hear the final outcome of the "healey intermittent miss"

I started using Mobil 1 back in 1992 when I bought my GMC truck with the 4.3 and 5 speed. Has 2 hundred thousand on it now and still does not use hardly any oil between changes. 7 years ago I started using the Mobil 1 filters also. Oil almost looks like it did when it was changed.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Keeriste! Maybe Healy would be better off takin' the car to garage.

MItch, leave Healy out of this, he is an innocent bystander. I am the one you have a beef with.

Hey, I was just getting interested in this oil discussion. I've been running Mobil 1 in everything, changed out religiously at 6,000 miles. Ran a pair of Toyota Corolla's out to 157,000 and 227,000 miles each on this regimen. The oil-life indicator on the Saturn and the BMW suggest a much longer service interval but I'm not buying into that.

In the Sprite I'm running 20W-50 Valvoline VR1. The car gets maybe 300 miles on it each summer. How often should I be changing this out? Annually? Sarge and I have talked about this...even though the mileage is really low it seems reasonable to change it out every twelve months, but maybe that's wasteful/unnecessary.

My Outback is supposed to have an oil change at 7500 miles, but the engines in Subaru's are known to also burn oil; I am usually at least a 1/2 qt low by then if not adding a quart. States right in the manual to expect to use oil.

Even with low mileage is cannot hurt to to change it out, unless you are in dire financial straits. I change my tractor oil annually regardless of use and hours on it.