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I think reports of Neil Young's leaving the hobby and industry, to paraphrase Mark Twain, are vastly exaggerated.


Of course it is. The internet is full of blowhards spewing vicious rumors. Always spelling Lionel's doom and so predictable.

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My view of Jerry Calabrese's comments are that he plans to truly bring toy trains back into the mainstream as much as possible, using the multiple medias and venues available today. That's all he means by an "entertainment company." He's not planning on having Lionel trains in MTV rap videos but everything else is probably fair game. Video games, sure. High visibility displays in public spaces, sure. Guest spots on Good Morning American and the Tonight Show, sure, if they'll have them.
It also could mean placing Lionel trains as props in movies and TV shows. Ever notice how many Apple computers there are in movies and TV? Thats not by accident. They make an effort to get their computers put in movies.

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jlong wrote:
Neil wrote:
I think reports of Neil Young's leaving the hobby and industry, to paraphrase Mark Twain, are vastly exaggerated.


Of course it is. The internet is full of blowhards spewing vicious rumors. Always spelling Lionel's doom and so predictable.

No, Lionel'l do alright, they just won't have ny (or my business).


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NY could of requested his name be unlisted or is taking a break from the collector scene. For all we know, he could of hooked up with Rod Stewart and is getting into HO.


That wouldn't surprise me at all. HO has a lot going for it and did you see Rod Stewarts layout in Model Railroader. There just aren't words glorious enough to describe it. It was like model railroading heaven


I saw the spread. It's pretty spectacular. Surprisingly, he did a lot of the work himself.

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"No, Lionel'l do alright, they just won't have ny (or my business)."

I understand your disappointment at the prospect of Neil Young withdrawing from involvement in Lionel, but I'm not sure we know that to be the case yet. In any instance, he still owns a majority of the company that owns Legacy so his involvement is a given at the moment. I agree that his involvement in Lionel and the hobby has immeasurably improved the industry these last 15-20 years, perhaps more than any other individual's, if you're talking technology improvement and play value.


The other thought I'd put forward is that the reason he lost his ownership in Lionel is not due to anything Lionel's management did, but due to his friend Mike Wolf's unjustified and predatory lawsuit. The bankruptcy was a direct product of Wolf's machinations, and the heavy legal and financial expenses of bankruptcy are what caused the reorganization of ownership, not anything Jerry Calabrese or others conspired to do.

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It's possible he had the TCA de-list his name out of the directory which is an option you have. Considering the infighting amongst manufacturers and their gung ho loyalists, it would not surprise me one bit. Especially when some ass wipe like Mike Wolf attempts to degrade you and puts your name on one of his buildings (Neils used Guitars).

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Not only is Neil Young not gone from Lionel, according to today's WSJ, he has invested in the new Lionel and is once again an owner, although obviously at less than 20% as he was before. By the way, Dick Kughn is also still an equity investor according to the article, which should be seen potentially by millions of folks, perhaps tens of millions by the time the other media pick up the story. Great exposure for the hobby in general, and Lionel in particular.

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Not only is Neil Young not gone from Lionel, according to today's WSJ, he has invested in the new Lionel and is once again an owner, although obviously at less than 20% as he was before. By the way, Dick Kughn is also still an equity investor according to the article, which should be seen potentially by millions of folks, perhaps tens of millions by the time the other media pick up the story. Great exposure for the hobby in general, and Lionel in particular.


Neil:

Do you have a link to this article?

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120994921825666481.html

I believe you need a subscription for access. Here's the text, copyright the Wall Street Journal:

By PATRICK FITZGERALD
May 5, 2008; Page B4

Lionel LLC emerged from bankruptcy-court protection last week, ending a three-and-half-year restructuring and bitter fight with a rival model-train company. Now, the 108-year-old toy maker is poised to move out of the hobby shop and into the broader pop-culture marketplace.
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One of Lionel's model locomotives.

Chief Executive Gerald Calabrese, a former Marvel Comics executive who shepherded Lionel through bankruptcy, said in an interview that he sees the new Lionel as an entertainment company and not just a toy maker.

"The way people buy and sell things has changed dramatically since 1900," said Mr. Calabrese. "We're not the distribution and sales mechanism anymore, we're the intellectual property. And that's the major change in the outlook of this company."

Breaking into the broader toy market is key to Lionel's growth, said Mr. Calabrese. During the company's stint under bankruptcy protection, sales for Lionel starter sets -- kid-friendly systems that range in price from $129 to $300 -- more than doubled. The company sold some 200,000 sets last year with much of that growth coming from sales at department stores and big-box retailers.

"We had virtually no sales at outlets like Target and Macy's and FAO Schwarz when the bankruptcy started," said Mr. Calabrese. Developing new products that appeal to children and getting them on the shelves at big retail outlets is only part of what Mr. Calabrese, who worked on Marvel's television programming in the 1990s, calls the pop-cultural segment of the toy market. He says that in today's marketplace, movies and television are the key drivers to sales.

"Pop-cultural sales in those outlets are driven by media, they're driven by a movie or driven by a TV show," Mr. Calabrese said. "The reason I came here in the first place was always to try to develop a media component of Lionel."

But that wasn't possible, he said, "while we were fighting for our life in bankruptcy."

Lionel found itself in bankruptcy-court protection in November 2004, just months after Mr. Calabrese was named CEO, when a federal jury awarded rival train maker MTH Electric Trains $38.6 million in a trade-secrets dispute with Lionel. Faced with a judgment it couldn't pay, Lionel filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.

An appeals court later overturned the verdict and ordered a new trial. Lionel and MTH settled their long-running fight late last year paving the way for Lionel's exit from Chapter 11.

Despite the bankruptcy, Lionel has posted its best financial results in many decades in recent years, according to Mr. Calabrese. Last year, Lionel had pretax earnings of $10.8 million on sales of $62.2 million.

Lionel emerged from Chapter 11 with $59 million in new cash from private-equity firm Guggenheim Corporate Funding and the estate of the late Martin Davis, former chairman of Paramount Communications Inc. According to Lionel's Chapter 11 plan, Guggenheim owns 48.6% of the new Lionel and the Davis estate has a 28.6% stake.

Rock star Neil Young, who saw his 20% stake in Lionel wiped out under the company's Chapter 11 plan, has also joined Lionel's ownership group. Mr. Young wasn't initially part of the ownership of the reorganized Lionel, and Mr. Calabrese declined to say how much he invested. Mr. Calabrese, who also controlled a 15% discretionary stake under the company's plan, said Mr. Young opted to come on board after finishing a tour earlier this year.

The 62-year-old Mr. Young is highly regarded in the model-train industry for his design and technology abilities. Mr. Young's company Creative Trains and Lionel are partners in a joint venture called Liontech Trains LLC that is developing Lionel's latest version of its TrainMaster control system.

Former Lionel owner Richard Kughn who bought the company from General Mills and later sold it in the 1990s to Messrs. Davis and Young is also an equity investor, Mr. Calabrese said.

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Thanks Neil :D

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cpsteamer wrote:
Thanks Neil :D

Ken


Thanks to BOTH Neils. This is the news I've wanted to hear.


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More speculation

http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/57660482/m/9061008864

Talk about thick. LMFAO!!!

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I love how a few sentences are pulled or paraphased and then everyone spins it into la la land. The other thing that is very sad and says a lot about our educational system is the total lack of reading comprehension by some who actually bother to read the original piece in its entirety.


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Dennis, it's a common problem we all have to some extent. We have our vision of reality and then make the facts fit that vision. Some of us are better at seeing reality than others, of course. As Yeats once said of mankind at a particular point in time, "the worst are full of passionate intensity." Not to mention being wrong ;).

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Of course, we all read into things. But really, where do some people get this stuff? Neil, ya just gotta wonder about what reality some folks are living in. :o


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