The Modelers Thread

All Facets of O-Gauge, 3-Rail, Model Railroading
User avatar
Rufus T. Firefly
Posts: 41986
Joined: Wed May 16, 2007 7:52 am
Location: To be Determined

Re: The Modelers Thread

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:14 pm

healey36 wrote:Well, my run of good fortune on the Covid front finally ran out, testing positive on Monday evening. So, while I sit here drowning in my own bodily fluids, I thought what better time to get back on the paper models.


Sounds like a plan, :wink: :wink:

Scanned, edited, printed, and mounted Hal Carsten's signal tower project from the August 1953 issue of Toy Trains magazine:


Looks very good!
As the literacy rate declines, you’ll ask yourself why the quality of life continues to deteriorate in ways large and small, and in almost every instance the answer will be: because people stopped reading.

RBH29
Posts: 203
Joined: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:24 am

Re: The Modelers Thread

Postby RBH29 » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:46 am

Yes, that is looking really good! Did you use a jig for the stair assembly? I'm also interested in what you do with the Clever Models crossover tower.

Richard

gregj410
Posts: 2634
Joined: Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:19 pm
Location: Maryland

Re: The Modelers Thread

Postby gregj410 » Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:21 am

This was my first crack at cutting/assembling a paper staircase.


That staircase looks great! At a glance I thought it was from one of the Plasticville kits. The coaling tower stair case is very similar to yours. The rise looks a little steep in the photo however it’s hard to tell. I looked at a set of steps yesterday that were almost 9” rises :shock: so yours could be legit :D

How you fairing through the Wu-flu?

User avatar
healey36
Posts: 6938
Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:43 pm
Location: Westminster, MD

Re: The Modelers Thread

Postby healey36 » Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:20 pm

I'm slowly getting better; thanks for asking. Today's the last day of five for the Paxlovin anti-viral, so I'm supposed to retest in 24 hours according to the doc. I think I'll wait until Monday AM or when the symptoms have subsided a bit more. I tend to jam up bronchially (sic) with anything: common cold, flu, allergies, and now Covid. It's something that's come on late in life. Whatever, this hasn't been too bad, which might be the anti-viral impact. I guess the vaxx/vaxx/booster regimen helped out as well. Whatever, I had neglected to follow through on the second booster, and the doc says no point now :lol:

The staircase is intended to look sorta like a stairway, but certainly not a nice neat scale representation. I suspect if you were a 1/48-scale dude trying to get up that stairway, you might need a stepladder to help you. Each step is probably a foot-and-a-half high (or more). That's the great thing about this tinplate stuff - it's just supposed to look sorta like what you're going for, certainly not scale/accurate by any measure. Kinda makes me feel like an interloper here on The Modelers Thread.

I started over on the second tower. I had plans to glaze the windows and include an interior a la the old Marx playsets that had lithography on both the exterior and interior, but that got too hairy. I bought a new set of Xacto blades for the knife, but had trouble cutting the mullions on the windows (printed on cardstock). I was getting a lot of incomplete cuts in the corners, leaving fuzzy bits which was driving me nuts, so finally I just said the heck with it and blacked the windows using MS Paint.

Howard Lamey designed the graphics originally, I believe using a prewar or postwar Hornby tower as his inspiration. He included a two-dimensional stairwell simply printed on one end. From what I remembered, the actual Hornby tower, at least the version I've seen, had an actual three-dimensional staircase on the end, stamped in tin and attached to the side via a few tabs. Sarge confirmed this, sending me a few pics of the tower he's had since he was a kid, so I asked Howard for permission to edit his graphics so I could add a bumped-out version of the stairs (to which he graciously agreed). I've gotten pretty proficient with MS Paint, so it was no big deal to grab the 2-D bits to use to fashion a 3-D version, meanwhile editing out the 2-D printing on the end. Blacking out the windows was much more painful. Cutting out the windows/doors, then cementing a cardstock print in each opening gives it a bit of depth, makes it a little bit less boring.

So anyway, here's the four sides and staircase for tower 2:

Image

I have at least one or two more paper models I want to try, plus an old Plasticville tower that's been on the layout for thirty years and is starting to fall apart; the plan is to do all four or five of them and see how they turn out. So many things I should be doing instead of this, but where's the fun in that?

User avatar
healey36
Posts: 6938
Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:43 pm
Location: Westminster, MD

Re: The Modelers Thread

Postby healey36 » Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:27 pm

RBH29 wrote:Yes, that is looking really good! Did you use a jig for the stair assembly? I'm also interested in what you do with the Clever Models crossover tower.

Richard

No jig, just a bit of freehand cutting with an Xacto knife and a few cuts with the wife's paper-cutter. If you look really close, you'll see numerous imperfections.

Carstens included a rudimentary plan for the staircase, which I printed on paper, than pasted on some salvaged matt board and cut it out. Some of it I could cut out using the guillotine cutter, the rest of it using the knife. His version included a landing and 90-degree turn halfway down; I said, "Oh hell no". I just took it straight down. I'll have to make sure I orient it correctly trackside, otherwise, if someone falls down the steps they'll likely land on the tracks.

I gotta look at my printed version of the Clever Models tower's graphics. It's pretty dang complicated for as small as it is, but my main problem is that when I unzip the file and print it, one of the pages (the one with the staircase bits) doesn't print right. It looks way undersized as compared to the rest of the model. I'm not sure if it's a function of my HP printer and its WYSIWYG functionality, or maybe I'm just looking at it wrong. Definitely doesn't look right as I have it printed currently. I will say it looks really fiddly; if I abandon a version from this project, it likely will be this one.

User avatar
healey36
Posts: 6938
Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:43 pm
Location: Westminster, MD

Re: The Modelers Thread

Postby healey36 » Sun Jul 24, 2022 9:38 am

Here's the link to Clever Models free O-scale crossing tower kit:

http://clevermodels.squarespace.com/free-downloads-01/e-o-crossing-tower-kit/

Back in the day, the kit downloaded with a recommended tool list and a short "Card Modeling Basics" walkthrough. I think they've now moved that to a tab on the site titled "Tips & Tricks". Even if you never build the tower, a read through the tips and suggestions will prove pretty handy. There's stuff in there that one wouldn't necessarily think of; there's also a few solutions to common problems in cutting and assembling, some of which seem counterintuitive, yet work pretty well.

The download includes two versions, one being of basic clapboard construction, the other sided in a board-n-batten trim. There's also two different roofing materials, one being an asphalt tile, the other a simple rolled-roofing application. Paper models look best if you layer as much of the detail as possible, and much of that is included in the printout. Windows, doors, trim, etc., down to the sills, frames, and an explosion of all of the bits for the stairs and the decking. The kit's graphics are very good IMHO, and you can be as crazy as you want in building it.

Anyway, it's a good intro to Clever Models. I bought a couple of their other kits (neither of which have I built). To be honest, the tower project looks hairier than the others. That staircase looks like a widow-maker.

User avatar
Rufus T. Firefly
Posts: 41986
Joined: Wed May 16, 2007 7:52 am
Location: To be Determined

Re: The Modelers Thread

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:50 am

healey36 wrote:Here's the link to Clever Models free O-scale crossing tower kit:

http://clevermodels.squarespace.com/free-downloads-01/e-o-crossing-tower-kit/


Thanks! Looks to be good fun.
As the literacy rate declines, you’ll ask yourself why the quality of life continues to deteriorate in ways large and small, and in almost every instance the answer will be: because people stopped reading.

RBH29
Posts: 203
Joined: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:24 am

Re: The Modelers Thread

Postby RBH29 » Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:32 am

I've yet to built the Clever Models crossover tower and I was looking for tips on how to handle the stairs. Those tiny pieces are intimidating. I'm currently working on one of their simpler models and having an issue with warpage. I can imagine the warping problems with the stair pieces,

I've read about ways to get crisp cuts on inside corners. One is to make a pin hole in the corner first and then you can feel when to stop cutting. Another is to slightly over cut the corner but I don't think that would work well with window mullions since they're so thin. There's also a technique of applying CA glue to the cardstock before cutting. Apparently it then behaves somewhat like plastic, reducing the tendency of getting "fuzzy" corners. I haven't actually tried any of these techniques so can't comment on how well they work.

Richard

User avatar
Rufus T. Firefly
Posts: 41986
Joined: Wed May 16, 2007 7:52 am
Location: To be Determined

Re: The Modelers Thread

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:33 am

Added sides; 1 side with working hinges.
Last edited by Rufus T. Firefly on Wed Jul 05, 2023 8:59 pm, edited 1 time in total.
As the literacy rate declines, you’ll ask yourself why the quality of life continues to deteriorate in ways large and small, and in almost every instance the answer will be: because people stopped reading.

User avatar
healey36
Posts: 6938
Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:43 pm
Location: Westminster, MD

Re: The Modelers Thread

Postby healey36 » Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:38 pm

Really nice. Did you hinge the drop-sides? I presume you're not staining this, having left the bar-codes in place.

User avatar
Rufus T. Firefly
Posts: 41986
Joined: Wed May 16, 2007 7:52 am
Location: To be Determined

Re: The Modelers Thread

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:12 pm

healey36 wrote:Really nice. Did you hinge the drop-sides? I presume you're not staining this, having left the bar-codes in place.


Yup. Working hinges on the one drop side; remove the stake pockets and the side folds down.

Painting it....got lazy and used bits with bar-codes :roll: :roll: :wink: :wink:
As the literacy rate declines, you’ll ask yourself why the quality of life continues to deteriorate in ways large and small, and in almost every instance the answer will be: because people stopped reading.

User avatar
healey36
Posts: 6938
Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:43 pm
Location: Westminster, MD

Re: The Modelers Thread

Postby healey36 » Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:49 pm

Started cutting out the last of the five tower projects:

Image

At the top is a start on the Clever Models crossing tower. Pretty straight forward, mounted on matt board, then cut out the windows and doors, pasting them back in from behind to get a bit of a 3D effect. The kit provides the windows as separate prints for cutting and pasting, but they are on a white background, which means centering them in the opening is critical. I mucked it up on one (or two), so a band of white shows along one edge. A better way to go is to just cut them from a second copy of the tower, which gives you the adjacent coloring so that if you don't get them exactly in position in the opening, it's not going to be too noticeable, if at all.

I started working on the staircase/deck structure, and that, as predicted, was a nightmare. Trying to cut strips of cardstock an eight of an inch wide yields results similar to making curly-fries. Even clamping it down under a steel ruler didn't make it work better. Rethinking my methods, but I think this might be better suited for balsa/basswood construction. Not sure.

At the bottom is the last tower version, this a bit of a wing-it job. I'm hopeful this is going to work out, as I've been wanting to try this for quite a while. Could be the most fun of them all...we'll see.

User avatar
Rufus T. Firefly
Posts: 41986
Joined: Wed May 16, 2007 7:52 am
Location: To be Determined

Re: The Modelers Thread

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:27 pm

Looks rather good!

I had some paper models but I think I sold them all off at Strasburg....but I may have more stashed away "somewhere".

Right now I'm invested in a rather lousy resin structure kit; warped and twisted with 1 wall missing and 2 copies of another.....I'll make something out it and see if it can find a new home.
As the literacy rate declines, you’ll ask yourself why the quality of life continues to deteriorate in ways large and small, and in almost every instance the answer will be: because people stopped reading.

User avatar
healey36
Posts: 6938
Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:43 pm
Location: Westminster, MD

Re: The Modelers Thread

Postby healey36 » Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:23 pm

Is there a recommended way to straighten a warped resin bit? I often wondered if a soak in hot water would soften it enough so that it could be straightened. I’ve got a couple of 1/600-scale resin ship models (unbuilt) that have hulls that warped slightly over the years. I hate to think they are headed for the bin.
Last edited by healey36 on Mon Aug 01, 2022 11:20 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Rufus T. Firefly
Posts: 41986
Joined: Wed May 16, 2007 7:52 am
Location: To be Determined

Re: The Modelers Thread

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:38 pm

healey36 wrote:Is there a recommenced way to straighten a warped resin bit? I often wondered if a soak in hot water would soften it enough so that it could be straightened.


I've done just that for large O scale car parts that were supposed to be flat - flat bottom dish with weighted piece of glass over it - tea pot of hot water and wait until cool before removing to work with....

I’ve got a couple of 1/600-scale resin ship models (unbuilt) that have hulls that warped slightly over the years. I hate to think they are headed for the bin.


Seem small to unwarp.... :?
As the literacy rate declines, you’ll ask yourself why the quality of life continues to deteriorate in ways large and small, and in almost every instance the answer will be: because people stopped reading.


Return to “O-Gauge, 3-Rail, Model Railroading”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 9 guests