An odd selling attitude here......

[herronpeter]

.....be curious to see how it works out for them.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre ... 2861502377

Peter

[up148]

Unique model of a unique prototype, but $2K is a bit of a stretch for even the most addicted UP collector. Needs a lot of work to be updated anywhere close to a modern model. I've dealt with the seller years ago, but forget who he is. Just banking on the hand built aspect and uniqueness of the model.
USH had the only production UP 2-10-2 and it was very generic.

$.02

BH

[bob turner]

Here is 2 cents more.

It is a reasonable scratch build, from the old school. I agree if you want it in a stable of recent imports it will require an immense amount of work.

I also agree that two grand may be a bit much - the seller knows that, and says if it is too high, don't bid. Duh?

Shipping from LA to San Diego shows at $80. I am pretty sure the fee from LA to here is not that high, so a lot of "handling" . . .

[E7]

Here is one cent more.

This guy clones his listing descriptions. He has 5 locos up for auction and they ALL have the same ending.....if too high , don't bid. He must have had to file a non-paying bidder gripe sometime.

He also has "coffin feedwater heater" in the description of the loco that is the focus of this post.......guessing he may have had a loco with a coffin feedwater heater up for auction sometime, but none of the 5 he has listed now has anything that remotely resembles a coffin feedwater heater.

Nothing wrong with cloning your listing descriptions.....I don't like to type either, but you probably should check that the content is correct.

Opinion

[robert.]

Usps chsrges $2.00 per $100 insurance value.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Usps chsrges $2.00 per $100 insurance value.

People tend to forget about such details when reacting to shipping prices.

[sarge]

Here is one cent more.

This guy clones his listing descriptions. He has 5 locos up for auction and they ALL have the same ending.....if too high , don't bid. He must have had to file a non-paying bidder gripe sometime.

He also has "coffin feedwater heater" in the description of the loco that is the focus of this post.......guessing he may have had a loco with a coffin feedwater heater up for auction sometime, but none of the 5 he has listed now has anything that remotely resembles a coffin feedwater heater.

Nothing wrong with cloning your listing descriptions.....I don't like to type either, but you probably should check that the content is correct.

Opinion

The model shown certainly looks to have a Coffin heater.

Don't see any cloning in his descriptions, either, just the last line repeated as part of his boilerplate. With all the whining, holding Paypal payments for ransom during so-called "protests", and automatic attempts at refunds that have become de rigeur on eBay, that bit doesn't strike me as out of line, any more than "no refunds".

[E7]

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The model shown certainly looks to have a Coffin heater.

Let's start with the FACT that you have likely forgotten more about steam engines than I know. What I perceive as a CFW heater is like the Sunset/3rd Rail models of a few years back. B&M, SP, and Sante Fe Berks (as best I recall). The model I see doesn't have any of that junk hanging on the smoke box. Are we looking at the same image?

Don't see any cloning in his descriptions, either, just the last line repeated as part of his boilerplate. With all the whining, holding Paypal payments for ransom during so-called "protests", and automatic attempts at refunds that have become de rigeur on eBay, that bit doesn't strike me as out of line, any more than "no refunds".

When I sold on Ebay, I had one description that I copied and slammed into EVERY auction. I then scrolled over and eliminated the text I didn't want. I did that because my typing really SUCKS! I call it cloning, and don't mean anything negative by that description....the novices term for boilerplate. Like you, I don't think he "said" anything out of line. I could highlight and eliminate what I didn't want way quicker than type stuff anew.

Glad to see you are back posting.

[bob turner]

Insurance - $40. 15 lbs in a two foot box $17.80. That's USPS.

I suppose it could weigh more than 15 lbs.

On that cloned statement about "don't bid if you think the price is too high" - are there morons out there who do that and complain? If so, do you suppose they are smart enough to figure out how stupid they have been by reading this exhortation? Enquiring minds want to know . . .

[robert.]

On the flip side. eBay gives you a postal discount when you buy through them.

[sarge]

If its of a UP 2-10-2, its the same image. Coffins were more often rather elegantly nestled in the smokebox behind the face but often ahead of the pipework, which gives that long smokebox overhang ahead the plane ascribed by the centre of the steamchest, delivery pipes, and blast-pipes up to the stack. The external hung Coffins were kind of a B&M thing, aesthetics not being high on the list. You can see the supply and return pipes going to the "horseshoe" shaped coil casing, imagine a B&M Coffin but blended into the smokebox and suddenly you'll see it in that model. It's actually a pretty nice model.

Now, for "opinions", I can't help but wonder if handling is a combination of two things, first just how much time and thought goes into properly packing models, especially brass locos. I invest several hours in packing someone else's models (Jon's Erie 0-8-8-0 took me easily three to pack properly after he got it all beat up from a 'quick' commercial job and I received it to repair and weather). There just is no way to get around the time and material to do it right.

Second, and more debateable, is the amount of scamming done by buyers who pretend damage or substitute damaged things or whatever, then want some sort of refund rather than inconvenience the seller with a return, whilst sticking them up using a pistol loaded with "feedback" in one hand and another with Paypal challenges (which never go well for a seller) and eBay arbitration which is never arbitrary. Its so pervasive some guys add a repairs component to "handling" since fixing returns (that often aren't the original piece) has to be considered a legitimate business expence if trading on the 'bay. Might not be fair to you the honest buyer but paying hostage discounts and forced exchanges of good stock for buyer's broken stuff is now a real expense.

Add to it the increases in fees paid by sellers and the looming new requirements for me to collect sales tax for not only 50 different states but every other county and parish that has a tack-on sales tax, and my expenses in time and treasure go up again. Perhaps eBay will become the agent for all these taxing authorities rather than me as a seller, but the cost of them taking on that rather onerous job will be merely handed me as the seller as another rise in fees, never you as a buyer beyond just the tax itself.

None of these sellers who aren't high volume businesses have any other place to recover these expenses even in part other than "handling". eBay is rapidly becoming irrelevant as a selling venue.

My being "back"? Only when I have something to contribute that's meaningful. Defence to determine who wins the Internet, politics, social commentary, no. Too much public abuse and rudeness over that sort of thing I just don't need anymore.

[robert.]

Sarge, you wont need to collect sales tax. eBay will do all that leg work. No cost or time to private sellers.

[J. S. Bach]

...snip... Shipping from LA to San Diego shows at $80. I am pretty sure the fee from LA to here is not that high, so a lot of "handling" . . .

Shipping to SC shows at $90.00. Weird, last time that I czeched, SC is a lot further from LA than San Diego is.

[bob turner]

So does eBay facilitate hiding handling charges, which presumably are fixed, within the automatic shipping charges? If so, then it would make sense. Also insurance is fixed, and for a $2000 model that would be a huge chunk.

On the handling charge - handling is a very reasonable thing to charge for, but I personally think it should be up front, not hidden in the shipping charge.

[E7]

So does eBay facilitate hiding handling charges, which presumably are fixed, within the automatic shipping charges? If so, then it would make sense. Also insurance is fixed, and for a $2000 model that would be a huge chunk.

On the handling charge - handling is a very reasonable thing to charge for, but I personally think it should be up front, not hidden in the shipping charge.

I would seriously suggest you go to Ebay and look at their sellers guide and their alphabetized list of definitions/explanations. I am considering selling again and THAT is where I will go to get my information. It is a good idea to know the auction rules, even if you are only buying.