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California moves to end sales of new gas-powered cars
https://www.ky3.com/2020/09/23/californ ... ered-cars/

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California will outlaw sales of new gasoline-powered passenger cars and trucks by 2035, Gov. Gavin Newsom announced Wednesday, a move he says will cut greenhouse gas emissions by 35% in the nation’s most populous state.

His plan would not ban people from owning gas-powered cars or selling them on the used car market. But it would end the sales of all new gasoline-powered passenger cars and trucks in the state of nearly 40 million people.

“Pull away from the gas pumps,” Newsom said in announcing his executive order to state regulators to draw up guidelines. “Let us no longer be victims of geopolitical dictators that manipulate global supply chains and global markets.”

Now New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania need to do the same thing

HONDO74 wrote:SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California will outlaw sales of new gasoline-powered passenger cars and trucks by 2035

2035 ==> meaningless.

Chris Webster wrote:

HONDO74 wrote:SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California will outlaw sales of new gasoline-powered passenger cars and trucks by 2035

2035 ==> meaningless.

Totally agree. But, it makes the news.

They can't keep the lights on now. I'll be 92 so let all the idiots that constantly vote Democrats in suffer with all their stupid things. It wont cut so called global warming one bit.
Oily Newsom want's to run for president, heaven help us, so this is greasing up Democr

Chris Webster wrote:

HONDO74 wrote:SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California will outlaw sales of new gasoline-powered passenger cars and trucks by 2035

2035 ==> meaningless.

Actually they need to move that date up to no later than 2025, Why. Because Gov. Gavin Newsom stated the other day that climate change is the cause of all the fires in California.

California is one of the biggest contributors of carbon in the country.

Newsom: Climate Change Responsible for California Wildfires
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/califor ... s/2361893/

California is one of the biggest contributors of carbon in the country.

Largest contributor of BS too.

They've been chasing an idealistic, Utopian dream forever and it ain't gonna ever happen. The could be the poster child for how not to properly run a state. Most older people I know in CA feel disgusted and trapped and hope to pass before a complete meltdown.

up148 wrote: Most older people I know in CA feel disgusted and trapped and hope to pass before a complete meltdown.

I wonder how that translates across various age blocks.

Don't really know, because you don't see that kind of information mainstream... so you have to research it......if you could find the truth.

Maybe Bob can chime in.

up148 wrote:Don't really know, because you don't see that kind of information mainstream... so you have to research it......if you could find the truth,

Might be interesting to put it into perspective. Some age blocks simply get outnumbered and majority rules...

My next new car/truck (Ford 150 electric??) might be electric anyway -- good for all my short hops and errands. Reserve the old Outback for the longer jaunts.

The local area near me now has an autonomous electric shuttle that runs from the Metro to the housing and shopping development; was behind it on Tuesday and folks were riding it.

There's a lot of hand waving and wringing in the world right now, but most of it seems well rooted in folks that are unable or unwilling to accept change of any kind.

Take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe. It's an imperfect universe, none of us get what we really want.

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:My next new car/truck (Ford 150 electric??) might be electric anyway -- good for all my short hops and errands. Reserve the old Outback for the longer jaunts.

The local area near me now has an autonomous electric shuttle that runs from the Metro to the housing and shopping development; was behind it on Tuesday and folks were riding it.

There's a lot of hand waving and wringing in the world right now, but most of it seems well rooted in folks that are unable or unwilling to accept change of any kind.

Take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe. It's an imperfect universe, none of us get what we really want.

Ford F-150 Electric: What We Know
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-fo ... g-we-know/

Electric motors are coming to the Ford F-150. The 2021 F-150's PowerBoost gasoline-electric hybrid drivetrain comes first, which combines a twin-turbocharged 3.5-liter V-6 engine and a 10-speed automatic transmission with an integrated 35-kW electric motor. The hybrid merely marks the beginning of the F-150's electric embrace. Come model-year 2022, the F-150 will add a true battery-electric drivetrain to its options menu. The model may don the name Everglades (likely cheekily badged EVerglades), or it may just be called the F-150 Electric.

Regardless of what it's christened, the battery-electric F-150 will surely be able to continue the truck's tradition of hauling and towing serious loads, as evidenced by Ford's decision to preview the powertrain by showing it pulling a train's worth of F-150s in a video released last year. The production F-150 EV's tow rating certainly won't come close to the 1.25 million pounds that train weighed, but we do expect the EV half-ton pickup to at least match the PowerBoost model's stated 12,000-pound-plus tow rating.

We also anticipate the truck to sport motors at each axle and manage to top 200 miles on a full charge of its surely large battery pack. And that's sure to account for the effects of a reasonable load in the Ford pickup's bed. Hypermile and ditch any extraneous weight, and you'll likely manage an even better figure. Remember, Ford's invested in Rivian, an electric automaker that claims its R1T pickup will travel more than 400 miles on a full charge of its available 180-kWh battery pack.

https://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1 ... ford-f-150

I've no dog in this fight. I've driven a Tesla Model S and the power and acceleration torches everything else I've ever driven. Just let them build the battery factories and the rare-earth processing plants in California.

healey36 wrote:I've no dog in this fight. I've driven a Tesla Model S and the power and acceleration torches everything else I've ever driven.

And they are fairly common to see now around here, too.

Also, Volvo, Porsche, and others offer or are going to be offering electrics soon.

The real demand exists. I think though that the real opportunity is in the Nat'l franchising of charging stations; I seem to recall that GM was working on something is this area. DOT needs to set some sort of standardization on charging connections, etc.

And the states will have to figure out, real fast, how to add taxes to those sales/charge-ups .

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:I seem to recall that GM was working on something is this area.

For as much money as GM has sunk into EVs, their history is a bit ragged. It will be interesting to see if the GM-Nikola partnership all falls apart. From the few bits I've read, it would seem the Nikola side of the deal wasn't quite straight up. It surprises me a bit, as GM always had a decent M&A group that audited the hell out of prospective deals. Maybe that, like many other things, is no longer the case.

healey36 wrote:

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:I seem to recall that GM was working on something is this area.

For as much money as GM has sunk into EVs, their history is a bit ragged.

Indeed it has been - not who I was expecting to be named in something related to charging stations.

It will be interesting to see if the GM-Nikola partnership all falls apart. From the few bits I've read, it would seem the Nikola side of the deal wasn't quite straight up. It surprises me a bit, as GM always had a decent M&A group that audited the hell out of prospective deals. Maybe that, like many other things, is no longer the case.

This smells like a fully laden menhaden trawler parked in the sun for 3 weeks. When it was announced I could not figure out how it was supposed to work as everything to build the truck was coming from GM tech. Why did they need Nikola......and now it seems that Nikola just had a bucket of money that's rapidly fading away.